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  Happy 20th Birthday to JWD / JWN

  by Simon in

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  as sgt pepper sang, "it was 20 years ago today" ... that i made my first post on my first forum.. i obviously didn't put too much thought into what it should say although i must have burned 45 posts testing things and was too lazy to reset the counter before going live (?):.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/46/welcome.

  but somehow, it worked and grew and here we all are, 20 years on.

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  neat blue dog

  Happy birthday, now who's head are we gonna cut off?

  But seriously, thanks for the site, not only is it a very valuable resource of information, both past and ongoing, but also a great source of, er, 'good association' for us lonely PIMOs
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  Whatever happened to tv.jw.org

  by cognitivedizzy in

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  looks like they pulled the plug on the streaming service 24/7 .

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  neat blue dog

  They still stream 24/7 with an ever growing rotating schedule, only not accessible through a browser anymore, now only through Roku, Amazon and Apple apps. Individual videos can still be downloaded from JWdotORG though.
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  Dead Sea Scrolls FORGERIES at Bible museum (scandal)

  by Terry in

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  https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/museum-of-the-bible-dead-sea-scrolls-forgeries/ independent researchers funded by the museum of the bible announced that all 16 of the museum’s dead sea scroll fragments are modern forgeries.

  the museum ceo exclaimed, “we’re victims—we’re victims of misrepresentation, we’re victims of fraud.” the pieces are probably made of ancient leather, they were inked in modern times and modified to resemble real dead sea scrolls; all with the intention of deceiving for profit.

  the researcher's report’s findings raise grave questions about the “post-2002” dead sea scroll fragments, a group of some 70 snippets of biblical text that entered the antiquities market in the 2000's.

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  neat blue dog

  So you didn't read the post then:

  It's saying that the originals were replaced with a forgery at some point, and they're not the same.
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  Dead Sea Scrolls FORGERIES at Bible museum (scandal)

  by Terry in

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  https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/museum-of-the-bible-dead-sea-scrolls-forgeries/ independent researchers funded by the museum of the bible announced that all 16 of the museum’s dead sea scroll fragments are modern forgeries.

  the museum ceo exclaimed, “we’re victims—we’re victims of misrepresentation, we’re victims of fraud.” the pieces are probably made of ancient leather, they were inked in modern times and modified to resemble real dead sea scrolls; all with the intention of deceiving for profit.

  the researcher's report’s findings raise grave questions about the “post-2002” dead sea scroll fragments, a group of some 70 snippets of biblical text that entered the antiquities market in the 2000's.

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  neat blue dog

  So what happened to the originals then?
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  the Mormon Church has $70,000,000,000

  by neat blue dog in

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  2. scandals

  https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/03/07/lds-church-discloses/.

  it turns out the lds church has about $38b in stocks and mutual funds from major companies such as apple, microsoft, amazon, walmart and others.

  they also have numerous dummy corporations to hold assests with a combined value of $32b.

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  neat blue dog

  Of course it dipped, but markets rise and fall, even significantly. Long term will be fine.
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  the Mormon Church has $70,000,000,000

  by neat blue dog in

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  https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/03/07/lds-church-discloses/.

  it turns out the lds church has about $38b in stocks and mutual funds from major companies such as apple, microsoft, amazon, walmart and others.

  they also have numerous dummy corporations to hold assests with a combined value of $32b.

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  neat blue dog

  Those are excellent points SBF that throw a whole different light on it, thanks.

  Still I wish there were some more concrete recent records of WTs stock holdings.
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  the Mormon Church has $70,000,000,000

  by neat blue dog in

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  https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/03/07/lds-church-discloses/.

  it turns out the lds church has about $38b in stocks and mutual funds from major companies such as apple, microsoft, amazon, walmart and others.

  they also have numerous dummy corporations to hold assests with a combined value of $32b.

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  neat blue dog

  https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/03/07/lds-church-discloses/

  It turns out the LDS church has about $38b in stocks and mutual funds from major companies such as Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Walmart and others. They also have numerous dummy corporations to hold assests with a combined value of $32b. That's about $70 billion, with a "b", not counting all their property.

  Makes me wonder if the wealth of the WTS hasn't been severely underestimated? If so, then all these lawsuits won't make a real dent. Unless they aren't as good at investing as Mormons. Have there been any concrete leaks to show the actual value of WT holdings, both in stock and banks?
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  Anyone have a copy of that JW poem about a child who doesn't survive Armageddon?

  by Bleep Bloop in

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  i think it was called "a mother's thoughts.

  " it was a rather dreadful poem written from the viewpoint of a mom a few weeks after armageddon, reminiscing about her child that didn't survive.

  in one part, the rebellious kid says, "i can take care of myself in snow, sleet or rain.

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  neat blue dog

  Never came across that, but it sounds morbid.
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  TRUE Fortune Cookie story

  by Terry in

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  true fortune cookie story____it was a new chinese buffet restaurant and it didn't last very long.the proprietors were young, hip, and way too modern.

  *for one thing, they got their fortune cookies from a different source than all other restaurants --the fun kind of fortune cookie which is specific and definite.my fortune, for example:"a tall, hot blonde will enter your life today.

  "zowie!that put a bit of pep in my step!

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  neat blue dog

  Nice 😅👏
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  Do you think any of the GB have different beliefs?

  by neat blue dog in

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  do you think any higher ups know that much of the doctrine they teach is bunk?

  thinking back to the time of raymond franz, how he pointed out specifically numerous teachings that the churches really did have right all along, and really any of the hidden mic apostacy trials you listen to on youtube, you see that even when inconvenient bible teachings are proven, the elders just try to sweep it under the rug and move on.

  i think i remember franz saying how one of the gb approached him somewhat sympathetically, but there was nothing he could do.. whether you believe in the bible or not, there are some basic beliefs common among most denominations because they're just so plainly stated, such things as heavenly life for all christians, no central authority structure, minimal use of god's name, etc.

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  neat blue dog

  Do you think any higher ups know that much of the doctrine they teach is bunk? Thinking back to the time of Raymond Franz, how he pointed out specifically numerous teachings that the churches really did have right all along, and really ANY of the hidden mic apostacy trials you listen to on YouTube, you see that even when inconvenient Bible teachings are proven, the Elders just try to sweep it under the rug and move on. I think I remember Franz saying how one of the GB approached him somewhat sympathetically, but there was nothing he could do.

  Whether you believe in the Bible or not, there are some basic beliefs common among most denominations because they're just so plainly stated, such things as heavenly life for all Christians, no central authority structure, minimal use of God's name, etc. With all the research these guys have done books they've read for selective quote mining and apostacy cases they've heard, you can't help but wonder how they can just make themselves forget, and if maybe some harbour private beliefs but 'wait on Jehovah'.

  For instance at the annual meeting Sam Herd was speaking of his father who never became a Witness, and speaking of his age said:

  and today if he were . . . uh . . . if he would be here, he would be [so many years] old

  To me it sounds like he almost said "if he were alive" but then corrected himself to say awkwardly "if he would be here", as if maybe he hopes he's in heaven watching over him right now, as many like to think. I know I could easily be reading too much into it but I was just thinking.